there's a separation there where our government, goes back to bush and continues in the obama administration, felt that putin maybe has gone too far. putin's contention is i'm dealing with monsters here. you don't understand, you're facing the same risk. there's a real issue there. neil: a weighty issue. mayor, i know you have to go, but talking about separatists in europe and what's going on in chechnya, and -- >> that's why we have to be very, very careful about what we -- neil: that's a lot of money too. that's a lot of money, time, and effort to follow every single nefarious -- >> careful what we buy into and get it right because if we want to predict the next situation, we've got to know how this situation really emerges. neil: if this brother is killed, the father said abroad as you might have heard, woe to the united states if you harm my son. >> that was a heck of a comment. that was a chilling -- neil: it was chilling. makes me think whether these brothers then, in that sense, are a martyr for a cause that's not good. >> well, it'll be another issue for us to deal with. we've actual